https://revspace.nl/wiki/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Ordering_PCBs_for_rhococoOrdering PCBs for rhococo - Revision history2026-04-30T14:12:41ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.43.6https://revspace.nl/wiki/index.php?title=Ordering_PCBs_for_rhococo&diff=21350&oldid=prevMahjongg: /* Received the PCB's and all is well */2019-03-07T19:23:20Z<p><span class="autocomment">Received the PCB's and all is well</span></p>
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</table>Mahjongghttps://revspace.nl/wiki/index.php?title=Ordering_PCBs_for_rhococo&diff=21339&oldid=prevMahjongg: /* February 26, 2019 Finally managed to pay the PCB's */2019-03-07T15:58:48Z<p><span class="autocomment">February 26, 2019 Finally managed to pay the PCB's</span></p>
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</table>Mahjongghttps://revspace.nl/wiki/index.php?title=Ordering_PCBs_for_rhococo&diff=21337&oldid=prevMahjongg: /* February 26, 2019 Finally managed to pay the PCB's */2019-03-06T00:00:35Z<p><span class="autocomment">February 26, 2019 Finally managed to pay the PCB's</span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>So the good news is that PCB's are being made, and that I succeeded in executing the payment process.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>So the good news is that PCB's are being made, and that I succeeded in executing the payment process.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The downside was that, due to the delays introduced by Chinese New year<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, </del>the arrangements to <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">get </del>a budget so that I could get PCB's for free came too late<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, so </del>in the end I paid the PCB's myself. And because I have no access to PayPal (long story), and paying with a bank transfer is impossible for me<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">... </del>I think you need to be a business expert to arrange <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">that</del>.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The downside was that, due to the delays introduced by Chinese New year the arrangements to <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">give me </ins>a budget so that I could get PCB's for free came too late<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">. So </ins>in the end I paid the PCB's myself. And because I have no access to PayPal (long story), and paying with a bank transfer is impossible for me<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, (</ins>I think you need to be a business expert to arrange <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">a bank transfer)</ins>.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Plus the Italian window had two tabs, one for creating a new account, and one for logging in, completely impossible to understand when you don't speak Italian. It took me two attempts, and two days, to cross this hurdle, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">and </del>tell the system I forgot my password. What not helped me was <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">also </del>not understanding (due to the Italian text) that a box I thought was for text entry was in fact a slider I had to slide to the right, the obligatory gotcha I had to enter was much less of a problem, and so after finally realizing what the slider was, I at last managed to log in.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Plus the Italian window had two tabs, one for creating a new account, and one for logging in, completely impossible to understand when you don't speak Italian. It took me two attempts, and two days, to cross this hurdle, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">to </ins>tell the system I forgot my password. What <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">also </ins>not helped me was not understanding (due to the Italian text) that a box I thought was for text entry was in fact a slider I had to slide to the right, the obligatory gotcha I had to enter was much less of a problem, and so after finally realizing what the slider was, I at last managed to log in.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>So the good news is that PCB's are being made, and that I succeeded in executing the payment process.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>So the good news is that PCB's are being made, and that I succeeded in executing the payment process.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The downside was that, due to the delays introduced by Chinese New year, the arrangements to get a budget so that I could get PCB's for free came too late, so in the end I paid the PCB's myself<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, and </del>because I have no access to PayPal (long story), and paying with a bank transfer is impossible for me... I think you need to be <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">an </del>expert <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">in business </del>to arrange that. The boss of PCBWay told me they are working on paying with a credit card, but at the moment the only way for me to pay is to <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">pay </del>$5 extra <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">to </del>make use of the services provided by <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Aliexpress</del>. But paying <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">trough aliexpress </del>is a bit of a hack<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, you </del>are directed to a page written in German (good luck if you cannot read German) that tells you that if you did not send in a Gerber file you are buying small experimentation PCB's for $1. I chatted with the service desk of PCBWay, (that seems to be open 25/7 so I even could use it on a <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">sunday </del>night) and the nice lady told me (in English) that yes indeed, I had to buy 62 of these PCB's, for a total amount of $62, and that after I had paid I had to e-mail her the payments details. see the picture below for the Aliexpress page used:</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The downside was that, due to the delays introduced by Chinese New year, the arrangements to get a budget so that I could get PCB's for free came too late, so in the end I paid the PCB's myself<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">. And </ins>because I have no access to PayPal (long story), and paying with a bank transfer is impossible for me... I think you need to be <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">a business </ins>expert to arrange that.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Plus the window had two tabs, one for creating a new account, and one for logging in, completely impossible to understand when you don't speak Italian . It took me two attempts, and two days, to cross this hurdle, and tell the system I forgot my password. What not helped me was not understanding (due to the Italian text) that a box I thought was for text entry was in fact a slider I had to slide to the right, the obligatory gotcha I had to enter was much less of a problem, and so I <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">finally </del>managed to log in.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Plus the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Italian </ins>window had two tabs, one for creating a new account, and one for logging in, completely impossible to understand when you don't speak Italian. It took me two attempts, and two days, to cross this hurdle, and tell the system I forgot my password. What not helped me was <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">also </ins>not understanding (due to the Italian text) that a box I thought was for text entry was in fact a slider I had to slide to the right, the obligatory gotcha I had to enter was much less of a problem, and so <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">after finally realizing what the slider was, </ins>I <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">at last </ins>managed to log in<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">.</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">After that I could indeed choose for a dozen or so obscure payment methods, and so I could choose iDeal, and the bank I wanted to pay with, and so I finally could pay $62, (some 52 euro's) and e-mail my payment details to the service desk lady</ins>.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">After that I could indeed choose for a dozen or so obscure payment methods, and so I could choose iDeal, and the bank I wanted to pay with, and finally could pay $62, (some 52 euro's) and e-mail my payment details to the service desk lady.</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Yesterday I found a card in my letterbox that DHL had visited me for the delivery of a package, but had not found me at home.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Yesterday I found a card in my letterbox that DHL had visited me for the delivery of a package, but had not found me at home.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The card did not say it, but the reason the package wasn't dropped in my letterbox, or given to one of my neighbors<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, </ins>was that I still owed DHL money, namely seventeen euro "import costs" and twenty-eight euro import taxes, or €45 in total!</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>On a package worth €52! Thats 86% extra :-(.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>On a package worth €52! Thats 86% extra :-(.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>It would have been far cheaper to use China Mail, to send me this sample without value, and have it delivered in my letterbox, probably without having to pay any taxes and import costs. Okay, it would have taken a couple of weeks to arrive, instead of a couple of <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">weeks</del>, but would have been far cheaper, and easier.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>It would have been far cheaper to use China Mail, to send me this sample without value, and have it delivered in my letterbox, probably without having to pay any taxes and import costs. Okay, it would have taken a couple of weeks to arrive, instead of a couple of <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">days</ins>, but <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">it </ins>would have been far cheaper, and easier.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Now I had to arrange for the €45 payment, and had to find a neighbor that was home, and who was willing to take a package for me.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Now I had to arrange for the €45 payment, and had to find a neighbor that was home, and who was willing to take a package for me.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>If all goes well I will have my PCB's tomorrow, and will report on the perceived quality of them.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>If all goes well I will have my PCB's tomorrow, and will <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">then </ins>report on the perceived quality of them.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>So was it worth buying these PCB's in China, instead of from my usual PCB maker "eurocircuits"?</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>So was it worth buying these PCB's in China, instead of from my usual PCB maker "eurocircuits"?</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>well If I only look at the price, for 5 sets of these 2 PCB's I have to say yes.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>well If I only look at the price, for 5 sets of these 2 PCB's I have to say yes.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>the 100 x 100mm dual sided PCB costs € 99.4 netto (€ 120.27 including VAT taxes), and the single sided 100 x 185mm cost much more, €\€ 516.73 for 5 including VAT, or €182.59 if you choose "naked" PCB's without solder masks or silk screens.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>the 100 x 100mm dual sided PCB costs € 99.4 netto (€ 120.27 including VAT taxes), and the single sided 100 x 185mm cost much more, €\€ 516.73 for 5 including VAT, or €182.59 if you choose "naked" PCB's without solder masks or silk screens.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>So the good news is that PCB's are being made, and that I succeeded in executing the payment process.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>So the good news is that PCB's are being made, and that I succeeded in executing the payment process.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The downside was that I have no access to PayPal (long story), and paying with a bank transfer... I think you need to be an expert in business to arrange that. The boss of PCBWay told me they are working on paying with a credit card, but at the moment the only way to pay is to pay $5 extra to make use of the services provided by Aliexpress. But paying trough aliexpress is a bit of a hack, you are directed to a page written in German (good luck if you cannot read German) that tells you that if you did not send in a Gerber file you are buying small experimentation PCB's for $1. I chatted with the service desk of PCBWay, that seems to be open 25/7<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, </del>and the nice lady told me (in English) that yes indeed, I had to buy 62 of these PCB's, for a total amount of $62, and that after I paid I had to e-mail her the payments details. see the picture below for the Aliexpress page used:</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The downside was <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">that, due to the delays introduced by Chinese New year, the arrangements to get a budget so </ins>that <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">I could get PCB's for free came too late, so in the end I paid the PCB's myself, and because </ins>I have no access to PayPal (long story), and paying with a bank transfer <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">is impossible for me</ins>... I think you need to be an expert in business to arrange that. The boss of PCBWay told me they are working on paying with a credit card, but at the moment the only way <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">for me </ins>to pay is to pay $5 extra to make use of the services provided by Aliexpress. But paying trough aliexpress is a bit of a hack, you are directed to a page written in German (good luck if you cannot read German) that tells you that if you did not send in a Gerber file you are buying small experimentation PCB's for $1. I chatted with the service desk of PCBWay, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">(</ins>that seems to be open 25/7 <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">so I even could use it on a sunday night) </ins>and the nice lady told me (in English) that yes indeed, I had to buy 62 of these PCB's, for a total amount of $62, and that after I <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">had </ins>paid I had to e-mail her the payments details. see the picture below for the Aliexpress page used:</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Then after you have clicked on the +1 button 61 times (you cannot directly enter the number, so I'm glad I didn't have to pay $899 this way) I could click on the "jetzt kaufen" (buy now) button to proceed to the page where I could enter my address <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">data</del>. There I also had to enter my e-mail, which in my case lead to a "you need to log-in now" session, where they asked for my password (It seems that half a decade ago I ordered something with Aliexpress, but obviously I forgot I <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ever </del>had a password), and so logging <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">in </del>was impossible, to top it off the window <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">with these </del>questions were <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">in Italian </del>for some obscure reason, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">and the window had two tabs, creating a new account, and logging </del>in<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">. It too me two attemps, and two days, to cross this hurdle, and tell the system I forgot may password, Not helped by not understanding (due to the </del>Italian <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">text) that a box I thought was for text entry was in fact a slider I had to slide, the obligatory gotcha I had to enter was much less of a problem, and I finally managed to log in.</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Then after you have clicked on the +1 button 61 times (you cannot directly enter the number, so I'm glad I didn't have to pay $899 this way) I could click on the "jetzt kaufen" (buy now) button to proceed to the page where I could enter my <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">delivery </ins>address <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">info</ins>. There I also had to enter my e-mail, which in my case lead to a "you need to log-in now" session, where they asked for my password (It seems that half a decade ago I ordered something with Aliexpress, but obviously I forgot I <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">even </ins>had a password), and so logging<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, or continuing with the address data, </ins>was impossible, to top it off the window <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">that asked the login </ins>questions were<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, </ins>for some obscure reason, in Italian</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>After that I could indeed <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">could </del>choose for a dozen or so <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">of </del>obscure payment <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">method</del>, and I could choose iDeal, and the bank I wanted to pay with, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">so </del>finally <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">I </del>could pay $62, (some 52 euro's)<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, </del>e-<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">mailed </del>my payment details to the service desk lady<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, and lo </del>and behold, a few days later I received an e-mail that my <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">PCBś </del>were ready, and on my way per DHL.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Plus the window had two tabs, one for creating a new account, and one for logging in, completely impossible to understand when you don't speak Italian . It took me two attempts, and two days, to cross this hurdle, and tell the system I forgot my password. What not helped me was not understanding (due to the Italian text) that a box I thought was for text entry was in fact a slider I had to slide to the right, the obligatory gotcha I had to enter was much less of a problem, and so I finally managed to log in.</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>After that I could indeed choose for a dozen or so obscure payment <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">methods</ins>, and <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">so </ins>I could choose iDeal, and the bank I wanted to pay with, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">and </ins>finally could pay $62, (some 52 euro's) <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">and </ins>e-<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">mail </ins>my payment details to the service desk lady<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">.</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Yesterday I found a card in my letterbox that DHL had visited me for the delivery of a package, but had not found me at home.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Yesterday I found a card in my letterbox that DHL had visited me for the delivery of a package, but had not found me at home.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The card did not say it, but the reason the package wasn't dropped in my letterbox, or given to one of my neighbors was that I still owed DHL money, namely seventeen euro "import costs" and twenty-eight euro import taxes, or €45 in total!</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The card did not say it, but the reason the package wasn't dropped in my letterbox, or given to one of my neighbors was that I still owed DHL money, namely seventeen euro "import costs" and twenty-eight euro import taxes, or €45 in total!</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>On a package worth €52! Thats 86% extra.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>On a package worth €52! Thats 86% extra <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:-(</ins>.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>It would have been far cheaper to use China Mail, to send this sample without value, and have it delivered in my letterbox, probably without having to pay any taxes and import costs. Okay, it would <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">take </del>a couple of weeks to arrive, instead of a couple of weeks, but would have been far cheaper, and easier.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>It would have been far cheaper to use China Mail, to send <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">me </ins>this sample without value, and have it delivered in my letterbox, probably without having to pay any taxes and import costs. Okay, it would <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">have taken </ins>a couple of weeks to arrive, instead of a couple of weeks, but would have been far cheaper, and easier.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Now I had to arrange for the €45 payment, and had to find a neighbor that was home, and who was willing to take a package for me.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Now I had to arrange for the €45 payment, and had to find a neighbor that was home, and who was willing to take a package for me.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>So yes, it is still much cheaper. </div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>So yes, it is still much cheaper. </div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>You could opt for a lower number of PCB's say 3 instead of 5, but the price doesn't scale linearly and 3 PCB's <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">cost </del>just a few euro less than 5.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>You could opt for a lower number of PCB's say 3 instead of 5, but the price doesn't scale linearly and <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">so </ins>3 PCB's <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">costs </ins>just a few euro less than 5.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* use China Mail, instead of a courier<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, if </del>the package is small enough to fit trough a letterbox, you might avoid paying import tariffs and taxes, for your sample without commercial value, instead of paying the tariffs for "electronic equipment".</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* use China Mail, instead of a courier<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">. If </ins>the package is small enough to fit trough a letterbox, you might avoid paying import tariffs and taxes, for your sample without commercial value, instead of paying the tariffs for "electronic equipment".</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>So was it worth buying these PCB's in China, instead of from my usual PCB maker "eurocircuits"?</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>So was it worth buying these PCB's in China, instead of from my usual PCB maker "eurocircuits"?</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Then after you have clicked on the +1 button 61 times (you cannot directly enter the number, so I'm glad I didn't have to pay $899 this way) I could click on the "jetzt kaufen" (buy now) button to proceed to the page where I could enter my address data. There I also had to enter my e-mail, which in my case lead to a "you need to log-in now" session, where they asked for my password (It seems that half a decade ago I ordered something with Aliexpress, but obviously I forgot I ever had a password), and so logging in was impossible, to top it off the window with these questions were in Italian for some obscure reason, and the window had two tabs, creating a new account, and logging in. It too me two attemps, and two days, to cross this hurdle, and tell the system I forgot may password, Not helped by not understanding (due to the Italian text) that a box I thought was for text entry was in fact a slider I had to slide, the obligatory gotcha I had to enter was much less of a problem, and I finally managed to log in.</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>So the good news is that PCB's are being made, and that I succeeded in executing the payment process.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>So the good news is that PCB's are being made, and that I succeeded in executing the payment process.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The downside was that I have no access to PayPal (long story), and paying with a bank transfer... I think you need to be an expert in business to arrange that. The boss of PCBWay told me they are working on paying with a credit card, but at the moment the only way to pay is to pay $5 extra to make use of the services provided by Aliexpress. But paying trough aliexpress is a bit of a hack, you are directed to a page written in German (good luck if you cannot read German) that tells you that if you did not send in a Gerber file you are buying small experimentation PCB's for $1. I chatted with the service desk of PCBWay, that seems to be open 25/7, and the nice lady told me (in English) that yes indeed, I had to buy 62 of these PCB's, for a total amount of $62, and that after I paid I had to e-mail her the payments details.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The downside was that I have no access to PayPal (long story), and paying with a bank transfer... I think you need to be an expert in business to arrange that. The boss of PCBWay told me they are working on paying with a credit card, but at the moment the only way to pay is to pay $5 extra to make use of the services provided by Aliexpress. But paying trough aliexpress is a bit of a hack, you are directed to a page written in German (good luck if you cannot read German) that tells you that if you did not send in a Gerber file you are buying small experimentation PCB's for $1. I chatted with the service desk of PCBWay, that seems to be open 25/7, and the nice lady told me (in English) that yes indeed, I had to buy 62 of these PCB's, for a total amount of $62, and that after I paid I had to e-mail her the payments details. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">see the picture below for the Aliexpress page used:</ins></div></td></tr>
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